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> : What scares me is that stupid people are hunting! Whatever happened to > : hunter safety courses, are those only for wimps! Perhaps they can add > : a legal game identification lecture to those courses…this is a deer, > : this is a goose, this is a mt.biker, don’t shoot the last one! > Maybe you should start target practicing during the hunting season. > You might say "send a few shots over the bow of the ship."
Do you think a hand-cranked gatling gun would be taking a warning shot too far? Hey, hand-cranked gatling guns do NOT count as full automatic weapons because they are not gas-operated systems and depend on hand power (or some other power – like the engine off the lawnmower… tee hee hee) to feed the ammo. > How about the people who get shot by "stray bullets " going to their > mailbox, or watching TV. I’m even nervous road biking during hunting season.
well, haven’t been shot while road riding yet (twice while offroading… bird shot in the back and a .22 round in the leg). Fortunetly most hunters around here are smart enough not to fire in the direction of the road. Might hit a passing park ranger or game warden…
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> " Yeah I know it was standing on 2 legs; these deer are clever…"
"Hal, I’m telling you, if a bear in the circus can learn to ride a bike, then so can a deer!"
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>> " Yeah I know it was standing on 2 legs; these deer are clever…" >"Hal, I’m telling you, if a bear in the circus can learn to ride a >bike, then so can a deer!"
Reminds me of the following story, only tangentally appropriate…. jim frost — cut here — DOING BUSINESS IN RUSSIA A German company was involved in negotiations in Moscow trying to sell some 100 million worth of manufacturing equipment to a Russian state corporation. Negotiations went smoothly but differences remained. So Martin Bayer himself, the CEO of the German company, decided to come to Moscow to head the talks. Beside caring about his business, the CEO wanted to go to Russia to hunt bears. Martin Bayer was one of the greatest hunters of our time (and the Russians knew about it). He went to safari more than hundred times and hunted lions, rhinos, crocodiles, he hunted polar bears in the North Pole and tigers in the rain forests of India. But he had NEVER hunted Russian bears. So the Russians decided to organize a bear hunt for Mr. Bayer to sweeten the talks. This wasn’t a simple task. Some people in the west still believe that bears may be found and seen everywhere in Russian cities just like squirrels may be seen in our back yards. This is not true. The closest place one may find bears in the wild is maybe 2,500 miles away from Moscow. Nonetheless, a solution was quickly found. The Russian businessmen went to Moscow Circus and for $2,000 bought a very old bear. This bear used to amuse and amaze audiences in many countries for 30 years, but got and looked too old, had bald spots, and was retired. "Be careful, the Russian bears are very aggressive, ferocious, and strong", they told to Mr. Bayer. "If compared to the Russian bears, your african lions are nothing more than harmless cats." The bear was brought to a conservation forest 50 miles from Moscow and was left there. Mr. Bayer was told that bears were plentiful in that forest and that many cattle and even people had been eaten in the surrounding villages. Meanwhile, a 18-year old female drove through the forest on a motorcycle and suddenly saw a bear (no bears had been seen in those places for 200 years). She was frightened, fell, left her helmet and her motocycle and ran away. Mr. Bayer was excited and ready to hunt. This could become the pinnacle of his extraordinary hunting experience. The next moment Mr. Bayer saw a bear in a helmet driving on a motorcycle through the forest in front of him. The bear had a happy expression on his face, as he was doing something he had been doing in the circus for 30 years: circling on a motorcycle… ——- Mr. Bayer lives in a private mental institution near Hamburg happily ever after. The manufacturing equipment was never sold to Russia. It was sold to Iraq instead. — http://world.std.com/~jimf
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[snippage] >BTW, I’m not against hunters or hunting. I just wish the stupid and the >drunk could be prevented from handling firearms. Just my opinion.
I wish we could stop them from driving cars, power boats, semi tucks, other mountain bikes, etc. etc. etc… Most of all, I wish we could stop them from breeding. In Texas, a general lack of easily accessible hunting land combined with a relatively high percentage of the populace going hunting has pretty much chased me out of the woods. Really used to enjoy deer and bird hunting. You guys are right. Too many of today’s hunters are complete yahoos when it comes to safety (and courtesy). Shame that I’m guilty by association. >Derrick
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If you yell & scream loud enuf, those unintentional shots may very well become intentional! Ride safe, rdie hard! LML.
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Jim, Can you say "Michigan Hillbilly"…their motto is "What’s mine is mine & what’s yours is mine!" If I had any more signs on the land I may as well invest in no hunting sign stock!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As I was riding through the woods today I had a very scary encounter. I heard > a couple of shots. No big deal, they were kinda far off and I was wearing > a bright orange shirt. So I kept going. I heard two more shots and they > sounded a little closer. I hope that guy is not shooting at me I thought. > The next two shots tore through the folliage over my head and showered me with > debris. So I ducked, and yelled "Rider here!" at the top of my lungs. All I > heard from the guy was "OK!". > Maybe I’m crazy, but shouldn’t I hear something a little more remorseful from > someone who almost killed me? > PFG > Shotgun hunters are not aware that deer can’t ride bicycles. They also > have no idea of the mobility and speed you have in the woods, and cheap > beer can make anything look like an eight-point buck. bee careful! > peas, P
"Hunters" that shoot at unknown, unseen targets are their own worse enemy, and are violating one of the most basic rules of firearm safety. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a hunting accident from a "stray" bullet (wonder what the statistics are on that?). Statistics show that most accidents are hunters shooting their hunting partners. Not too swift if you ask me, since it’s 100% preventable. Since I don’t like the idea of being shot either, I only ride in areas where hunting is prohibited at this time of the year. Fortunately for me, there’s a number of good rides in the area that fit this prereq. Wearing orange might not be a bad idea either (you never know when some beer-soaked yahoo might get lost). BTW, I’m not against hunters or hunting. I just wish the stupid and the drunk could be prevented from handling firearms. Just my opinion. Derrick are
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(Snip) > sounded a little closer. I hope that guy is not shooting at me I thought. > The next two shots tore through the folliage over my head and showered me with > debris. So I ducked, and yelled "Rider here!" at the top of my lungs. All I > heard from the guy was "OK!". > Maybe I’m crazy, but shouldn’t I hear something a little more remorseful from > someone who almost killed me?
Shit was that you. Im sorry. I thought you were my ex girlfriend riding her new mtn bike i bought her before she broke up with me. Her favrite color is orange. If anybody sees her fire at will, its bytch season. Sorry, feeling a little blue and misogynous. Looking for a new girlfriend who won’t fuck me over….. k
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: What scares me is that stupid people are hunting! Whatever happened to : hunter safety courses, are those only for wimps! Perhaps they can add : a legal game identification lecture to those courses…this is a deer, : this is a goose, this is a mt.biker, don’t shoot the last one! Sorry, : i’m a little cynical…i’ve had way too many hunters tell me to get off : my own land because during hunting season all’s fair! I don’t play the : game that way! Maybe you should start target practicing during the hunting season. You might say "send a few shots over the bow of the ship." How about the people who get shot by "stray bullets " going to their mailbox, or watching TV. I’m even nervous road biking during hunting season. Jay
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" Yeah I know it was standing on 2 legs; these deer are clever…" — * Toby Lovern *"if I was adrift at sea with a * * * dead chick; I’d probably kiss her"* * all spelling mistakes are intentional. probably. *
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>What scares me is that stupid people are hunting! Whatever happened to >hunter safety courses, are those only for wimps!
Like driver’s license classes and tests, all they do is prove that you can regurgitate what you’re told at the test. You can’t really tell who’s a careful hunter and who isn’t at one of those tests, and of course the urgency of what they teach you at the safety courses is not usually remembered beyond a few hours or days, much less years. >I’ve had way too many hunters tell me to get off >my own land because during hunting season all’s fair! I don’t play the >game that way!
All’s not fair if your land is posted "no hunting." jim frost — http://world.std.com/~jimf
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|> Instead of riding your bike this time of year, join the hunters! Tote |> you shotgun and AR-15 into the woods and shoot some deer. You get to |> release your anger and help the farmers by reducing the deer population. |> If you think your life is in danger then go roadie or select a trail |> where hunting is not allowed. |> I have a better idea: Tote your shotgun and AR-15 into the woods and shoot some hunters. You get to release your anger and help the bikers by reducing the hunter population. Knut Olaf | Knut Olaf Knutsen | | Phone: +47 90 13 59 51 | | WWW homepage: http://www.marina.unit.no/~knolkn/ | | IRCnick: BikeMan | | __o | | ‘Remember what the Greek philosopher Plato said: `< | | always check your tire-pressure before you go on a ride’ (*)/(*) | | – Hans No Way Rey |
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What scares me is that stupid people are hunting! Whatever happened to hunter safety courses, are those only for wimps! Perhaps they can add a legal game identification lecture to those courses…this is a deer, this is a goose, this is a mt.biker, don’t shoot the last one! Sorry, i’m a little cynical…i’ve had way too many hunters tell me to get off my own land because during hunting season all’s fair! I don’t play the game that way!
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>Instead of riding your bike this time of year, join the hunters! Tote >you shotgun and AR-15 into the woods and shoot some deer. You get to >release your anger and help the farmers by reducing the deer population. >If you think your life is in danger then go roadie or select a trail >where hunting is not allowed.
Just like how some mountain bikers (mounties?) ride illegal trails, I’ve seen (and been surprised by) hunters hunting illegally. I’ve seen some of these losers with crossbows, pistols, rifles, you name it. I’ve even seen one son of a bitch in full camo with no license and no blaze orange. He was obviously hunting illegally, and didn’t want to get caught. That said, there are many wonderfully nice hunters out there who will give all kinds of advice on where good trails are, etc… If you avoid areas close to raods, major population areas, etc…, you will avoid 90% of the loser variety hunters. As for the nice hunters, treat them as equestrians/hikers, be nice and polite. We already have a bad rep, and it doesn’t need to be worse. Look at the way some hunters are portrayed on TV: gun toting, beer drinking rednecks! Let’s home mtber’s don’t get much worse than the adrenaline starved slackers we’re already portrayed as. L8R, joe
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> As I was riding through the woods today I had a very scary encounter. I heard > a couple of shots. No big deal, they were kinda far off and I was wearing
[SNIP] I had a similar experience in Michigan the day BEFORE hunting season started. My buddy and i were trying a trail for the first time and stopped by the ranger office for a map and any advice he might have…. i jokingly asked if we were in danger of being shot…. he, in all seriousness said, "well, im not going to guarantee anything, but i wouldnt be riding in there." He told us that there were hunters back there but that there was not enough man-power to send anyone in to do anything about it. So, with that warning, we took off into the woods. About half way through, we saw our first hunter…. while we werent fired at, he certainly wasnt happy that we had seen him. From that point on, the chant "RIDER!!!!" could be heard echoing throughout the forest. We heard many shots that afternoon and noticed that almost every trail sign had been shot up. Shotgun shell casings littered several parts of the trail. It was certainly an interesting experience! Ride on, and duck! Jay Jay Allen | __ o/’ | Gypsy Woman told my momma University of Windsor | _ _o /, | Just before i was born Faculty of Law |(_)/ _. _ >> | I got a boy child comin’ Windsor, Ontario | (_) (_)_> | Gonna be a son of a gun.
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> What about when you go to ride, and you see someone hunting with a > gun when it isn’t hunting season? Not cool.
Find the nearest cop and report it. Mike
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>As I was riding through the woods today I had a very scary encounter. I heard >a couple of shots.
Scarry! Been there. >Maybe I’m crazy, but shouldn’t I hear something a little more remorseful from >someone who almost killed me?
You may have surprised the guy, so al he could think of is OK. On the other hand, remoresful hunter sounds a bit oxymoronic. I only ride at this time of the year, where hunting is prohibited. Even so, I bumped into a guy with a rifle in a wooded city park, where hunting is clearly prohibited. I did not challange him, as he either had a special permission, or was nuts. Either way. Regards, rjk
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>As I was riding through the woods today I had a very scary >encounter…
snipped tale of terror… >PFG
Your mistake was wearing the orange. What you need to do is get one of those NRA membership stickers, attach it to a CB whip antenna, and bolt it to your helmet. The crazies never shoot at one of their own… — http://www.geopages.com/SunsetStrip/2155 | The Discount Insurance Broker "Se habla Ladino" | 1-800-REBATE-2
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Instead of riding your bike this time of year, join the hunters! Tote you shotgun and AR-15 into the woods and shoot some deer. You get to release your anger and help the farmers by reducing the deer population. If you think your life is in danger then go roadie or select a trail where hunting is not allowed. — Jason Liu, College Park, Md. |GO SKINS! (‘72 NFC/’82 XVII/’83 NFC/’87 XXII/’91 XXVI) | |GO HALOS! (‘79 West/’82 West/’86 West) | |GO PHILLIES! (‘76 East/’77 East/’78 East/’80 WS/’81 East/’83 NL/’93 NL)| |GO HONDA! (CompTech/Tasman/Hall/Ganassi) | |LONG LIVE METAL! and rock (AC/DC,Aerosmith,CCR,GNR,Metallica,Megadeth) | |MOUNTAIN BIKING! (GT/Shimano/Rock Shox/Mavic/Tioga/Kalloy/Answer) |
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: A few years ago in NH a hunter’s deer kill was disallowed on account : of it was a cow. The hunter got really pissed and started accusing : the Fish and Game officials of trying to screw him — so they : explained that he was going to be even more upset when he finds out : what the farmer is going to charge him to replace the cow. : Since then it’s been fairly common practice to paint "COW" on the side : of cows in big orange letters. Not that that really does much, they : shoot cars and people and picnic baskets and lots of other things that : don’t look anything at all like game. You are forgetting about road signs and power line insulators. In the same way that it is possible for a few mountain bikers to go into an area and give cyclists a bad name, a few hunters can do the same thing, except that hunters screwing up can kill you. I remember one party that I was at, and someone mentioned that he had been hunting. I sound shots." THAT is the sort of thing that really scares me. : One one of the mailing lists I am on there was a guy in Georgia who : was confronted by a hunter for scaring his game away. He basically : told the rider that he’d get shot if he didn’t get out of there. : I’ll stick to the state forests where hunting is always illegal, : thanks. Too many stupid people with firearms. Yes, being shot could ruin your day. "Of course I heard it moo. Why shouldn’t a deer moo?" –Ted. — phone: (403) 295-4982
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>As I was riding through the woods today I had a very scary encounter. I heard >a couple of shots. No big deal, they were kinda far off and I was wearing >a bright orange shirt. So I kept going. I heard two more shots and they >sounded a little closer. I hope that guy is not shooting at me I thought. >The next two shots tore through the folliage over my head and showered me with >debris. So I ducked, and yelled "Rider here!" at the top of my lungs. All I >heard from the guy was "OK!". >Maybe I’m crazy, but shouldn’t I hear something a little more remorseful from >someone who almost killed me? >PFG
see what you gotta do is carry a bigger gun, one that will leave no doubt that you are serious. picture arnold in T2 with that shotgun ridin his harley. seriously though i have had similar encounters in new mexico. just try to tell yourself that hunters/gun enthusiasts are not out to kill you or even scare you. he most likely did not know you were there, but was obviously a little stupid aiming at a trail. you can’t expect a stupid person to say much more than "ok" after nearly shooting you. — d kopf of c springs guess where i work required discalimer "This content in no way reflects the opinions, standards, or policy of the United States Air Force Academy or the United States government." by order of SECAF danger will robinson
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>I’m not sure if these >people don’t know horse/bike from deer or other helpless wildlife, or if >they’re trying to scare you out of "their" woods.
Probably a little of both. A few years ago in NH a hunter’s deer kill was disallowed on account of it was a cow. The hunter got really pissed and started accusing the Fish and Game officials of trying to screw him — so they explained that he was going to be even more upset when he finds out what the farmer is going to charge him to replace the cow. Since then it’s been fairly common practice to paint "COW" on the side of cows in big orange letters. Not that that really does much, they shoot cars and people and picnic baskets and lots of other things that don’t look anything at all like game. One one of the mailing lists I am on there was a guy in Georgia who was confronted by a hunter for scaring his game away. He basically told the rider that he’d get shot if he didn’t get out of there. I’ll stick to the state forests where hunting is always illegal, thanks. Too many stupid people with firearms. jim frost — http://world.std.com/~jimf
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I’ve had plenty of these scary encounters while on horseback, despite orange shirts, bells and singing a little ditty while riding! I had a bow hunter step out in front of me with bow drawn! I’m not sure if these people don’t know horse/bike from deer or other helpless wildlife, or if they’re trying to scare you out of "their" woods. I truly think some hunters will go to any extreme to keep non-hunters out of their "territory". Ride safe, sing loud! LML.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >sounded a little closer. I hope that guy is not shooting at me I thought. > >The next two shots tore through the folliage over my head and showered me with > >debris. So I ducked, and yelled "Rider here!" at the top of my lungs. All I > >heard from the guy was "OK!". > >Maybe I’m crazy, but shouldn’t I hear something a little more remorseful from > >someone who almost killed me? > seriously though i have had similar encounters in new mexico. just try to tell > yourself that hunters/gun enthusiasts are not out to kill you or even scare you. > I think you’re missing the point here. Whether the hunter wanted > to killscare the guy isn’t the issue. Had he hit the guy, the end result > would have been the same, regardless of his intent. > So to the original poster, no you aren’t crazy to expect more > than "OK". > Chris.
I’ve been shot at also (unintentional, I think…). It sucks. Solution: Holler like a Banshee while you ride. Your friends might think you’re nuts, but at least hunters will know you’re there! -Jay