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A Canadian Hunting Perspective eh
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: Well here I go, (I know Laszlo is going to stongly disagree) I’m from B.C. and : of course there are guide laws in effect here. Of course…. : There are, IMO, good and bad points to this law. Firstly, B.C. offers many : species of big game to hunters: Deer (Mule, White : Tail, Black Tail, Sitka, and Fallow), Elk (Rocky Mountain and Roosevelt), Bear : (Grizzly and Black), Sheep (Rocky Mountain : Bighorn, California Bighorn, Stone and Dall), Mountain Goat, Moose, Caribou : (Mountain and Woodland), Wolf and Cougar. : This diversity of game means that there is something here that almost everyone : wants to hunt. Prime example is what I read : about CO elk, there seem to be too many hunters simply because you can’t shoot : an elk in Kansas or where ever. You can : just go to Colorado, so everyone goes there. I think that the residents of the : state have a first right to the game. At least we agree here. : With the guide law, it helps to control the amount of non-residents. You don’t need a guide requirement to control the number of non-residents….just limit the number of NR licenses. By making a guide requirement, you’re limiting non-resuident hunting to the rich. I can’t/won’t pay $10K US for a Stone sheep hunt, and I even think $4500 US for a NWT Caribou hunt is absurd. To some, that’s pocket change. :But lots of residents have : a problem with this too. We, myself included, are upset that guides are : given tags in areas where everyone else has to draw a tag. Yep, and the problem continues to grow. The Outfitters Association in Colorado is trying to *guarantee* that they get at least 15% of the limited licenses to ensure their clients get one. Why shouldn’t their clients have to draw like the rest of us?? Like I said before, I think the guides and outfitters are as big of a threat to hunting as the anti’s. : This means I MIGHT draw a tag every ten : years on a really good sheep mountain, but a non-resident (mostly Germans) can : hire a guide and shoot a sheep every year on : that mountain! Same with Grizzlies, the ARFs got their way and now 99.9% of : Grizzly hunting is on draw, yet the Ministry of : Enviornment destroyed 36 "problem grizzlies" last year near McKenzie alone!! That’s my point exactly. YOU TOO could hunt sheep every year, if you have the $$$ to hire a guide. They’re taking opportunity away from us. : The other thing I am concerned about is the enforcement of laws. How can : one be sure that the non-resident hunter is well versed in local game : laws? The only other viable solution I see is to have non-residents do : a test which will certify them for the year and have a very limited draw. So do you think we should have NR take a test to come to Colorado to hunt? What’s wrong with just giving me a set of regulations and arresting me and giving me a fine if I violate them? Do you think we should require you to take a driving test before crossing the border to the US in your car? This is the lamest of all the lame arguments for the guide requirement. : This would ensure a quality, non-crowded experience for all and would : help to add a measure of confidence in the visitors. I would : have no problem with a system like this, and truth be known, I feel most : non-residents would hire a guide anyways. At least there would be the OPTION of hiring a guide. If I felt that I needed one, for whatever reason, I might hire one. But to require me to have one is WRONG, IMO…..but you already knew that 
Laszlo Member: Wildlife Legislation Fund of America National Rifle Association Colorado Bowhunters Association Ft. Collins Archery Association PETA– People for the Eating of Tasty Animals I still miss my ex…..but my aim is improving! : Kristian
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Someone from Canada answer this question. Why does a deer hunter need a guide to > enter > a woods when the same person just backpacking is free to enter alone? > > As to why the guide fees are too high, I just don’t know. > > Perhaps a lack of competition. Believe me as a hunter I would love to > > be able to hunt all over North America without "Guide’s Fees". Perhaps > > ul lobby in the provincial governments. > > Best. > > Paul Delaney > > Please comment on this issue if you have some info. Paul > Mike Manges
Well here I go, (I know Laszlo is going to stongly disagree) I’m from B.C. and of course there are guide laws in effect here. There are, IMO, good and bad points to this law. Firstly, B.C. offers many species of big game to hunters: Deer (Mule, White Tail, Black Tail, Sitka, and Fallow), Elk (Rocky Mountain and Roosevelt), Bear (Grizzly and Black), Sheep (Rocky Mountain Bighorn, California Bighorn, Stone and Dall), Mountain Goat, Moose, Caribou (Mountain and Woodland), Wolf and Cougar. This diversity of game means that there is something here that almost everyone wants to hunt. Prime example is what I read about CO elk, there seem to be too many hunters simply because you can’t shoot an elk in Kansas or where ever. You can just go to Colorado, so everyone goes there. I think that the residents of the state have a first right to the game. With the guide law, it helps to control the amount of non-residents. But lots of residents have a problem with this too. We, myself included, are upset that guides are given tags in areas where everyone else has to draw a tag. This means I MIGHT draw a tag every ten years on a really good sheep mountain, but a non-resident (mostly Germans) can hire a guide and shoot a sheep every year on that mountain! Same with Grizzlies, the ARFs got their way and now 99.9% of Grizzly hunting is on draw, yet the Ministry of Enviornment destroyed 36 "problem grizzlies" last year near McKenzie alone!! The other thing I am concerned about is the enforcement of laws. How can one be sure that the non-resident hunter is well versed in local game laws? The only other viable solution I see is to have non-residents do a test which will certify them for the year and have a very limited draw. This would ensure a quality, non-crowded experience for all and would help to add a measure of confidence in the visitors. I would have no problem with a system like this, and truth be known, I feel most non-residents would hire a guide anyways. Kristian
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> >I’d love to hunt in Canada except I refuse to pay the exhorbitant guide fees >that you guys mandate. Get rid of the guide requirement and I’ll be up >there next year 8-). Give me the option to use a guide like we do here, and >I’ll be happy. > I think you’ll find little sympathy in Canadian hunters, Laszlo. > For every one of you, there are a 100 who don’t object and come here > anyway!
I think you’ve got your ratios a bit confused. For every one who doesn’t object and pays the exorbitant fees, there are probably 10,000 who do object and stay home. You should probably be glad of this, since if we ALL came up there, there wouldn’t be much left for you to hunt afterwards. I’ll never hunt in Canada, partly because of the guide fees, but mainly because I refuse to abide by their gun laws. Ed Clayton Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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>>I’ll never hunt in Canada, partly because of the guide fees, but mainly >because I refuse to abide by their gun laws. >Actually, the new gun regulations have not come into effect yet. And >hopefully may not. >A few weeks ago, four provinces (ON,AB SK,MB) and the Yukon announced they >are taking the federal government to court over it and are fighting it.
This is some of the *best* news I’ve heard come outta Canada!! However, I do agree with the poster. Until the proposed restrictions are *gone*, I won’t be going "north." There is a growing trend here in the US, that until the socialists are out of powder in Canda, we’ll stay here. Maybe if enough of us here do the same, enough people there will wake up and vote those morons *out* of office! Fred Gun control means being able to hit your target!
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: After reading this group for a while I have decided to toss out a few : of my humble opinions on several "Issues" being discussed. : 1.The "Lease Issue". Well it is indeed sad to see this occuring : to our brother hunters in the USA. One solution for them is to : come north and hunt with us, in an very large, sparsely populated : country.Over 70% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. : Canada is the second largest country in the world, a HUNTER’S paradise. I’d love to hunt in Canada except I refuse to pay the exhorbitant guide fees that you guys mandate. Get rid of the guide requirement and I’ll be up there next year 8-). Give me the option to use a guide like we do here, and I’ll be happy. Laszlo Member: Wildlife Legislation Fund of America National Rifle Association Colorado Bowhunters Association Ft. Collins Archery Association PETA– People for the Eating of Tasty Animals I still miss my ex…..but my aim is improving! : Paul Delaney : Yea though I walk through the "Valley of the : Shadow of Death" I shall fear no evil. Because I’m : the best armed, meanest mother F _ _ _ er in the valley.
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> One of the participants in "Rec Hunting" responded to my post "A Canadian
Hunting Perspective eh" by stating: "I’d love to hunt in Canada except I refuse to pay the exhorbitant guide fees that you guys mandate. Get rid of the guide requirement and I’ll be up there next year 8-). Give me the option to use a guide like we do here, and I’ll be happy." My response: As it stands now all provinces require "Non-Residents" to retain the services of a guide while hunting. Also "Non Resident Hunting Licenses" are significantly more expensive than "Resident". To clarify, I live in New Brunswick, and would be clssified a "Non-Resident", exactly the same as you, when hunting in Ontario. Those are the facts as I understand them. Is it fair when compared with practices found in the States? I don’t know as I am completely ignorant of the American (State’s) approach on these issues. My opinion on why it happens here, is this. It provides needed employment in my country hovers close to 9.5% nationally as compared to 6% in the USA. Also, it prevents outsiders from depleting a local natural resource without "Paying Their Dues". Finally it allows for a sustainable "Outfitter" industry. As to why the guide fees are too high, I just don’t know. Perhaps a lack of competition. Believe me as a hunter I would love to be able to hunt all over North America without "Guide’s Fees". Perhaps ul lobby in the provincial governments. Best. Paul Delaney Please comment on this issue if you have some info. Paul
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> <snip> > "I’d love to hunt in Canada except I refuse to pay the exhorbitant guide fees > that you guys mandate. Get rid of the guide requirement <snip> > My response: > As it stands now all provinces require "Non-Residents" to retain the > services of a guide while hunting. Also "Non Resident Hunting > Licenses" are significantly more expensive than "Resident". To clarify, > I live in New Brunswick, and would be clssified a "Non-Resident", > exactly the same as you, when hunting in Ontario. Those are the
I believe that some of the provences charge more "Non Resident Alien" (read that American) hunting licenses. I’ve hunted geese in Manioba, with a guide. Since we were hunting on private land a guide is a necessity. When your hunting time is limited, you don’t want to hunt for a place to hunt. One rule that I did find offensive was the requirement that non-resident waterfowl hunters had to quit at noon, while the locals hunted until sunset! Another thing that I don’t think is correct is the generous bag limits. Why should a hunter north of the border be allowed more mallards than a hunter in the U.S.? These are migratory birds. Whether you are in the northern section or the southern section of a flyway you are hunting the same flock. <snip> > My opinion on why it happens here, is this. It provides needed > employment in my country hovers close to 9.5% nationally as compared > to 6% in the USA. Also, it prevents outsiders from depleting a local > natural resource without "Paying Their Dues". Finally it allows for > a sustainable "Outfitter" industry.
Your socialist system is not flexable enough to create jobs in a world economy. Trying to use "Outfitter Industry" as an extension of welfare is a mistake. You simply create a segment of the population who become completely dependent. It would be better to ‘market’ the outdoors expirenceses that Canada has to offer and let the market create the jobs. Someone from Canada answer this question. Why does a deer hunter need a guide to enter a woods when the same person just backpacking is free to enter alone? > As to why the guide fees are too high, I just don’t know. > Perhaps a lack of competition. Believe me as a hunter I would love to > be able to hunt all over North America without "Guide’s Fees". Perhaps > ul lobby in the provincial governments. > Best. > Paul Delaney > Please comment on this issue if you have some info. Paul
Mike Manges
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> >Laszlo > Do you think that’s bad? Wait until you have to register your firearms > at the border with the promise that the information will not be shared > with your BATF. Ya Right.
Actually, Curtis, they make no such promise. The American Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has an agreement with the Canadian Department of Justice, and our boys over at Customs and Excise. All files are available to ANY agency for the asking… The BATF already knows what hunting rifles you own — Carpite Diem. All That is Neccessary for the Triumph of Evil Is For Good Men to Stand By and Do Nothing. He Who Dares, Wins. I Think, Therefore I Am. Walk Softly, And Carry an N.F.A. Card DJ MacIntyre
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> >Laszlo > Do you think that’s bad? Wait until you have to register your firearms > at the border with the promise that the information will not be shared > with your BATF. Ya Right.
Well, Curtis, Big Brother beat you to it. You DO have to register at the border, as per Canadian Bill C-68, and the records are available to ANY Canadian or US agency that wants them, thanks to the agreements between our two countries. The BATF already KNOWS what you hunt with while you’re up here — Carpite Diem. All That is Neccessary for the Triumph of Evil Is For Good Men to Stand By and Do Nothing. He Who Dares, Wins. I Think, Therefore I Am. Walk Softly, And Carry an N.F.A. Card DJ MacIntyre
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After reading this group for a while I have decided to toss out a few of my humble opinions on several "Issues" being discussed. 1.The "Lease Issue". Well it is indeed sad to see this occuring to our brother hunters in the USA. One solution for them is to come north and hunt with us, in an very large, sparsely populated country.Over 70% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. Canada is the second largest country in the world, a HUNTER’S paradise. Land prices up here for wild acreage are dirt cheap compared to much of the USA. Our total population is about 29,000,000. I live in southern New Brunswick,part of the Canadian Maritimes.For any Americans reading this who don’t know where this is, we border on the state of Maine. Size? About the same as South Korea who have 45,000,000 people. We have about 700,000, with about 20% of these being hunters.I have never encountered a "Leased"private hunting property here in 23 years of hunting. 2. Regarding steel shot and bag limits for waterfowl. Steel shot is finished for waterfowl hunting after this season. I have never encountered bag limits above 6 ducks except on Comerants. In the Maritimes duck population numbers have been a concern. 3. Brown Bear & .22 cal. My thoughts on this well… "To Each His Own". However, I would recommend the stainless model.After the bear is done picking his teeth with it, it may lay in the grass for years. We would’nt want such a fine firearm to rust.eh 4. We are all "HUNTERS" here and decent people, so why engage in name calling? Paul Delaney Yea though I walk through the "Valley of the Shadow of Death" I shall fear no evil. Because I’m the best armed, meanest mother F _ _ _ er in the valley.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >: After reading this group for a while I have decided to toss out a few >: of my humble opinions on several "Issues" being discussed. >: 1.The "Lease Issue". Well it is indeed sad to see this occuring >: to our brother hunters in the USA. One solution for them is to >: come north and hunt with us, in an very large, sparsely populated >: country.Over 70% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. >: Canada is the second largest country in the world, a HUNTER’S paradise. >I’d love to hunt in Canada except I refuse to pay the exhorbitant guide fees >that you guys mandate. Get rid of the guide requirement and I’ll be up >there next year 8-). Give me the option to use a guide like we do here, and >I’ll be happy. >Laszlo
Do you think that’s bad? Wait until you have to register your firearms at the border with the promise that the information will not be shared with your BATF. Ya Right.