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: To add my 2 cents worth on using a scope on a muzzle loader, I would argue : against doing it. I use an aperture (peep) sight on my .50 ML, and the : accuracy is fully equivalent to what you can get from a scope at muzzle : loader ranges. : Also scopes have to be mounted above the bore, and that forces the head to : be raised above the normal sighting position, as ML rifles are usually : stocked for iron sight use. This destroys the spot weld of the cheek on : the stock, and is not good for accuracy (Keep the wood on the wood : dummy!)…jim dodd : San Diego In the half-hour prior to sunrise, accuracy is only part of what you’re looking for in a sighting system. Light collection and target description are also important. No peep sight can transmit as much light as a high-quality scope. Magnification is also important for deciding if the antlers and size of the deer are what you want to shoot. Many muzzleloaders are capable of 100+ yard kills, and it’s hard to count points with the naked eye at 100 yards 1/2 hour before sunrise. Depending on conditions, it may be hard to tell whether or not a deer has antlers at all, something which is critical if your tag restricts you to antlered only or antlerless only deer. I’d hate to kill a spike buck if I only had an antlerless tag because I only used a peep sight. The other advantage of a scope is in avoiding hitting twigs and limbs in a wooded area. There are real advantages in scoping a muzzleloader if the law allows. — Michael Courtney, Ph. D. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Michael Courtney responded to my earlier post in this thread (not repeated for brevity) with the following: <<In the half-hour prior to sunrise, accuracy is only part of what you’re looking for in a sighting system. Light collection and target description are also important. No peep sight can transmit as much light as a high-quality scope.>> A peep sight can compare to a scope in light transmission depending on the size of the exit pupil of the scope. The eye’s pupil is dilated to about 7mm in such conditions, if the scope offers more exit pupil, it is wasted. The peep can be superior in some conditions, try looking into the rising sun with any scope. That isn’t fun (its not great with a peep either). The scope does generally extend the shooting day earlier and later. <<Magnification is also important for deciding if the antlers and size of the deer are what you want to shoot. Many muzzleloaders are capable of 100+ yard kills, and it’s hard to count points with the naked eye at 100 yards 1/2 hour before sunrise. Depending on conditions, it may be hard to tell whether or not a deer has antlers at all, something which is critical if your tag restricts you to antlered only or antlerless only deer. I’d hate to kill a spike buck if I only had an antlerless tag because I only used a peep sight.>> I use my binoculars to view the critter and to estimate the size of the antlers, horns, etc. They are optically superior to almost any rifle scope. I don’t use the scope on a rifle for this chore. People who get into this bad habit frequently get into the habit of looking around the country with the scope, forgeting that the thing has a loaded rifle under it. <<The other advantage of a scope is in avoiding hitting twigs and limbs in a wooded area.>> This is true for stuff which is in the focal range of the scope. Stuff which is too far out of focus will not be seen. I don’t do the kind of hunting that Michael does, which seems to involve blinds or prepared positions. I try to get closer, and the aperture sights work great for this kind of work. I have used them at 1,000 yards for target work, but I really prefer to use a scope when the range gets long. Now that I am getting older, my eyes really like the scope because it puts the target and sight elements in the same plane. This is the real advantage of the typical hunting scope (as opposed to target scopes). I use the forward mounted Scout style scope more now, and I think they are excellent if you have to scope a ML rifle….jim dodd San Diego Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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: Can anyone recommend a scope for a beginner muzzleloader. I have a Knight : LK-93 and would like to put a scope on it, but do not want to spend too : much. I have been looking at the Simmons Whitetail Classic scopes (1.5 – : 5X). Are thay any good ?. Should I stick with scopes labeled as : "blackpowder scopes" ? I’ve got a Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10 on my muzzleloader. It’s a regular rifle scope. The high magnification is nice because I can see twigs and small branches that lower magnifications would miss. This is important when choosing a shooting lane in a wooded area. The other nice thing about the Leupold is the light collection. Things can be pretty dim 1/2 hour before sun rise. Most of the lower power scopes have poorer light collection than a 3.5-10 with 40mm objective. If the Vari-X III is too much money, then I recommend a Vari-X II in 2-7 or 3-9. You should be able to find one for around $200. — Michael Courtney, Ph. D.
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Scopes > Can anyone recommend a scope for a beginner muzzleloader. I have a >Knight LK-93 and would like to put a scope on it, but do not want to >spend too much. I have been looking at the Simmons Whitetail Classic >scopes (1.5 -5X). Are thay any good ?. Should I stick with scopes >labeled as "blackpowder scopes" ? > Thanks ! >I just don’t get it!
No, evidently you don’t.It’s called progress. >Do you really put modern optics on your muzzleloaders in your state? It is >against the law in Wa. State, unless you are hunting in a modern firearm >season.
Some states allow it and some don’t. I believe that Washington and Oregon are the least progressive when it comes to "modern hunting". >If you are going to do that why not just buy a 30-06 and be done with it.
Let’s see the reasons could be: 1) his states doesn’t allow high powered rifles 2) he doesn’t want to 3) he is a "beginner muzzleloader hunter 4) and that’s what he wants to do. >Primative sights for primative wepons, that is how it should be.
Not really. It’s what ever the states says it is. If it’s your choice to use open sights have at it. That doesn’t make it "how it should be done." >I have taken aprox 10 deer and 3 Elk with muzzloaders with open sights.
Congratulations. Does that mean that you can tell everyone else how they should hunt and what they should use? I’m sure there are a lot of us on here can "see" (as in poker) your 10 deer and 3 elk and raise you a bunch more. That wouldn’t give us the right to tell you that you had to use a scope would it? >Unless you were shooting at over 100 yards with at least a 54 cal. what is > the point?
That is the point. A lot of modern muzzleloader hunters shoot this distance and farther to kill deer and elk every year. Don’t be one of those "if you don’t do it my way, it ain’t right type of hunter". Now to answer TAlex37’s question. I’ve had mixed results with Simmons scopes. The first one I had it kept drifting and losing zero. I use a Simmons 2 power Pro-Diamond on my turkey gun and like it very much.If Mr. Gobbler’s head is in the Diamond, he is dinner. I use a Tasco World Class fixed 4 power on my muzzleloader and my slug guns. They have given me good service, but they are older scopes. There were some people complaining about the lack of quality of the newer Tasco scopes on rec.hunting not too long ago. Don’t pay any attention to the naysayers on scopes on muzzleloaders. Do be aware of your state’s regulations on scopes and if hunt out of state, be sure to know their’s. If you can’t use a scope, go to a peep sight. Not quite as accurate, but better than "open sights". Woody Williams if you’re too busy to hunt, you’re too busy.
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<snip> > When the bear baiting/hound hunting issue was up for a vote, I tried to > explain to quite a few people I know who voted against it, that the > state of Wa. would have to turn around and hire the hound hunters for > bear control. They did not believe it. The day the vote passed the state > requested 2 million dollars for bear control. Go figure.
Peter I also heard that a proposal was made to use money from hunting license fees to pay for controlling bears and cougars in Washington state. Could you imagine "the people who voted against the initiative banning a certain type of hunting may end up paying for the controlling of the bears and cougars for which the hunters originally controlled through hunting". go figure. Tom’s hunting page: http://www.pioneernet.net/kellyntom/tom2.htm Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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I couldn’t agree more!!! And I live in king county, but not by choice. There are way to many wannabe activist that vote on issues here that don’t have a clue what they are voting on. When the bear baiting/hound hunting issue was up for a vote, I tried to explain to quite a few people I know who voted against it, that the state of Wa. would have to turn around and hire the hound hunters for bear control. They did not believe it. The day the vote passed the state requested 2 million dollars for bear control. Go figure. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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JimDodd responded to: > <<Magnification is also important for deciding if the antlers and size of > the deer are what you want to shoot. Many muzzleloaders are capable of > 100+ yard kills, and it’s hard to count points with the naked eye at 100 > yards 1/2 hour before sunrise. Depending on conditions, it may be hard to > tell whether or not a deer has antlers at all, something which is critical > if your tag restricts you to antlered only or antlerless only deer. I’d > hate to kill a spike buck if I only had an antlerless tag because I only > used a peep sight.>>
With: > I use my binoculars to view the critter and to estimate the size of the > antlers, horns, etc. They are optically superior to almost any rifle > scope. I don’t use the scope on a rifle for this chore. People who get > into this bad habit frequently get into the habit of looking around the > country with the scope, forgeting that the thing has a loaded rifle under > it.
I imagine two bad things happening … first, between putting down your binocs and shouldering the rifle, it is possible for deer to swap positions. I won’t necessarily *admit* to shooting that forked horn instead of the 4X4 it was traveling with, but … lets say it’s hypothetically possible. Second, a good scope allows you to be more certain that some "unshootable" thing (like a person) doesn’t get into the background where you might not notice them with the naked eye. I, too, am leary of any sort of "glassing" which is done with the scope, but I sure like to study my target, once I decide it is a target via some other means, with my scope before I blow a hole in it. "Better twice careful than once sorry." Tom Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In the state of > Washington, where modern firearm hunters have their own seasons, > bowhunters have their own and primitive muzzleloaders have theirs. I > will always fight to keep glass optics and inline rifles out of the > special seasons my dollars and efforts helped create some 20 years ago. > Let the flames fly as they may, Wa. State has the right ideas. > Wildgoose > ( builder of "Cronk’s Custom Longrifles", primative firearms, in the > finest traditions.) > The lines after Wildgoose’s name say it all. Follow the money and you will > usually find the answer. He seems to be another hunter with the same viral > infection that infects many fly fishermen. If you don’t do it my way, you > are doing it wrong. The bottom line is that they all use black powder or > Pyrodex, load from the muzzle, and share the same ballistic limitations. > Scopes, in-line, synthetic stocks, etc. don’t matter. In fact, you could > very easily make an argument that a scope on a rifle is much more sporting > because you have a better aim point, the bottom of the target is visible, > and you are better able to see what is behind the target. (BTW, did you > know that in-line is not new? It was around at least as long ago as early > in the 19th century.) > Association (www.prairienet.org/isra); The Wildlife Society; USPSA/IPSC – - – - > Illegitimi Non Carborundum – - – - – - – > THOSE who trade essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither > liberty nor safety. > Benjamin Franklin > The dinosours died because they didn’t have a space program! > Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: > http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ > To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
You are right. Also scopes have been on muzzleloaders for a long time. Try to remember about the long range black powder target rifles of the last century that used a brass tube scope that extended most of the length of the firearm. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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> Let the flames fly as they may, Wa. State has the right ideas. > Wildgoose
O.K. here is a flame for you. I’m in the military and have lived in Washington for a total of seven hunting years. I have lived in and hunted many states and Washington definitely has the worst rules. The rules are plain bad. You should post how many pages the hunting rule catalog has "over 100". Fishing is no better over 100 pages there also. It takes the hunting season to determine what the regs say(if they come out on time. There is great areas to hunt though, but the game management here in Washington needs improvement. This state is driven by what Seattle wants (majority of voters, AKA BEAR/COUGAR bait and dogs). I hunt Wyoming, the rules fit on the game map and make sense. My worst impression is that Washington hunters and shooters are too segmented. Look at your stance on what constitutes a Black Powder, Muzzle Loader, Primitive Arm. I shoot a muzzle loader. yes it is in-line, basic. But oh, it is open sights. And where I hunt elk, there is not a PRIMITIVE SEASON. Do not judge all people who do not belong to your group. Your opinions segment hunters. "sorry you can’t hunt here, you have a scope", "sorry you are using an in-line ML, not here", "copper jacketed bullets, not in Washington", "Oh that safety feature there, the cover which protects you from the cap fragments, you will have to take that cover off to hunt in Washington". Those are some of the strange regulations in Washington. Now for some others, I can actually use my in-line muzzle loader in my county here in Washington if I take off the safety cover (which slides over the nipple area) and shoot solid lead bullets. And the time I would hunt is right during BOW SEASON, now that really makes sense to me. Now I am at an advantage over the bow hunters, 75-100yds is easy with my ML. I bet this rule upsets some bow hunters. That was another example of WA rules. Your dollars would be better spent promoting hunting in general in this state, rather than protecting your group of traditionalists. My opinion of Washingtons hunting future isn’t pretty. I do belong to local hunting groups (who promote all hunting) and I do hunt in Washington. Lobby to exclude Pierce and King county(no intent to offend any hunters in these counties) from any hunting related ballot. Tom’s hunting page: http://www.pioneernet.net/kellyntom/tom2.htm Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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<<stuff deleted>> Wildgoose said: > … I > will always fight to keep glass optics and inline rifles out of the > special seasons my dollars and efforts helped create some 20 years ago. > Let the flames fly as they may, Wa. State has the right ideas.
I suggest you get used to scopes and in-line rifles or be prepared to lose the special seasons all together. There is a law called the Americans With Disabilities Act that will get the scope ban thrown out in any state where someone is willing to challenge it legally. I have started talking this up in Alaska where there is a scope ban (in-lines allowed). Once one state falls to ADA, it’ll be time to "fish or cut bait"… -craig Happiness is Fifty Below! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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> In the state of > Washington, where modern firearm hunters have their own seasons, > bowhunters have their own and primitive muzzleloaders have theirs. I > will always fight to keep glass optics and inline rifles out of the > special seasons my dollars and efforts helped create some 20 years ago. > Let the flames fly as they may, Wa. State has the right ideas. > Wildgoose > ( builder of "Cronk’s Custom Longrifles", primative firearms, in the > finest traditions.)
The lines after Wildgoose’s name say it all. Follow the money and you will usually find the answer. He seems to be another hunter with the same viral infection that infects many fly fishermen. If you don’t do it my way, you are doing it wrong. The bottom line is that they all use black powder or Pyrodex, load from the muzzle, and share the same ballistic limitations. Scopes, in-line, synthetic stocks, etc. don’t matter. In fact, you could very easily make an argument that a scope on a rifle is much more sporting because you have a better aim point, the bottom of the target is visible, and you are better able to see what is behind the target. (BTW, did you know that in-line is not new? It was around at least as long ago as early in the 19th century.) Association (www.prairienet.org/isra); The Wildlife Society; USPSA/IPSC – - – - Illegitimi Non Carborundum – - – - – - – THOSE who trade essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin The dinosours died because they didn’t have a space program! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Scopes >> Can anyone recommend a scope for a beginner muzzleloader. I have a >>Knight LK-93 and would like to put a scope on it, but do not want to >>spend too much. I have been looking at the Simmons Whitetail Classic >>scopes (1.5 -5X). Are thay any good ?. Should I stick with scopes >>labeled as "blackpowder scopes" ? >> Thanks ! >I just don’t get it! > No, evidently you don’t.It’s called progress. >Do you really put modern optics on your muzzleloaders in your state? It is >against the law in Wa. State, unless you are hunting in a modern firearm >season. > Some states allow it and some don’t. I believe that Washington and Oregon > are the least progressive when it comes to "modern hunting". >If you are going to do that why not just buy a 30-06 and be done with it. > Let’s see the reasons could be: > 1) his states doesn’t allow high powered rifles > 2) he doesn’t want to > 3) he is a "beginner muzzleloader hunter > 4) and that’s what he wants to do. >Primative sights for primative wepons, that is how it should be. > Not really. It’s what ever the states says it is. If it’s your choice to > use open sights have at it. That doesn’t make it "how it should be done." >I have taken aprox 10 deer and 3 Elk with muzzloaders with open sights. > Congratulations. Does that mean that you can tell everyone else how they > should hunt and what they should use? I’m sure there are a lot of us on > here can "see" (as in poker) your 10 deer and 3 elk and raise you a bunch > more. That wouldn’t give us the right to tell you that you had to use a > scope would it? >Unless you were shooting at over 100 yards with at least a 54 cal. what is > the point? > That is the point. A lot of modern muzzleloader hunters shoot this distance > and farther to kill deer and elk every year. > Don’t be one of those "if you don’t do it my way, it ain’t right type of > hunter". > Now to answer TAlex37’s question. I’ve had mixed results with Simmons > scopes. The first one I had it kept drifting and losing zero. I use a > Simmons 2 power Pro-Diamond on my turkey gun and like it very much.If Mr. > Gobbler’s head is in the Diamond, he is dinner. I use a Tasco World Class > fixed 4 power on my muzzleloader and my slug guns. They have given me good > service, but they are older scopes. There were some people complaining > about the lack of quality of the newer Tasco scopes on rec.hunting not too > long ago. > Don’t pay any attention to the naysayers on scopes on muzzleloaders. Do be > aware of your state’s regulations on scopes and if hunt out of state, be > sure to know their’s. If you can’t use a scope, go to a peep sight. Not > quite as accurate, but better than "open sights". > Woody Williams > if you’re too busy to hunt, you’re too busy.
It was not my intent to be nasty at all with this but now that others have opened that door, I will state the feelings of many of my bretheren in the primitive hunting faternity in Wa. State. Many years ago myself and many others in this state, who had a true interest in primitive wepons did alot of lobbying, begging ,cajoling, and of course spending our dollars to convince the Wa. State Game Dept. and the state legislature to create seperate seasons for the primitive shooters. Many of us, myself included, had quit deer and elk hunting altogether because of incidents of being shot at by other hunters. My thinking has always been that, in this state, anyone with $100 dollars and a pawn shop nearby could suddenly be "oh great and mighty deer hunter". In contrast to the usual persons who use primative wepons, who usually has an interest in the gun and it is a year round hobby for him or her. A person shooting open sights with a muzzleloader, with which they only have one shot, is apt to be much more sure of their target before letting fly. As opposed to my own father, (whom I never hunt with) who I have never seen shoot his Rem. 742 semi- auto 30-06 without emptying the magazine. Most of us "old timers" now see high power hunters switching to blackpowder in droves because of the different seasons with far fewer hunters in the field. This may be quite different in states that either don’t have special seasons for muzzleloaders or don’t allow high powered rifles for hunting. I can see the argument for the use of glass optics and inline modern muzzleloaders in those states. In the state of Washington, where modern firearm hunters have their own seasons, bowhunters have their own and primitive muzzleloaders have theirs. I will always fight to keep glass optics and inline rifles out of the special seasons my dollars and efforts helped create some 20 years ago. Let the flames fly as they may, Wa. State has the right ideas. Wildgoose ( builder of "Cronk’s Custom Longrifles", primative firearms, in the finest traditions.) Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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: A peep sight can compare to a scope in light transmission depending on the : size of the exit pupil of the scope. The eye’s pupil is dilated to about : 7mm in such conditions, if the scope offers more exit pupil, it is wasted. : The peep can be superior in some conditions, try looking into the rising : sun with any scope. That isn’t fun (its not great with a peep either). The : scope does generally extend the shooting day earlier and later. I can see things at night through my scope (Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10-40mm) that I cannot see with my unaided eyes even though I know they are there. : I use my binoculars to view the critter and to estimate the size of the : antlers, horns, etc. They are optically superior to almost any rifle : scope. I don’t use the scope on a rifle for this chore. People who get : into this bad habit frequently get into the habit of looking around the : country with the scope, forgeting that the thing has a loaded rifle under : it. I use my binoculars to determine if what I see is the game I’m after. >From that point, I use the scope because my scope is better than my
binoculars, and I like to minimize the time between deciding to shoot and taking the shot. It’s not always necessary to shoot quickly, but in the woods, it is. Buying binoculars as good as my scope would cost a bundle, and I’d rather spend the cash on a laser rangefinder. : <<The other advantage of a scope is in avoiding hitting twigs and : limbs in a wooded area.>> : This is true for stuff which is in the focal range of the scope. Stuff : which is too far out of focus will not be seen. I find, I can usually see the stuff within 25 yards with my unaided eyes, The rest of the stuff does show up in the scope, especially if I sweep the magnification while checking to see if the shooting lane is clear. I usually choose shooting lanes before game shows up. : I don’t do the kind of hunting that Michael does, which seems to involve : blinds or prepared positions. I hunt in an urban area and use stands and elevated positions so that the bullets will safely hit the ground a few yards behind the target. : Now that I am getting older, my eyes really like the scope because it puts : the target and sight elements in the same plane. This is the real : advantage of the typical hunting scope (as opposed to target scopes). I : use the forward mounted Scout style scope more now, and I think they are : excellent if you have to scope a ML rifle….jim dodd Good point. — Michael Courtney, Ph. D. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Can anyone recommend a scope for a beginner muzzleloader. I have a Knight LK-93 and would like to put a scope on it, but do not want to spend too much. I have been looking at the Simmons Whitetail Classic scopes (1.5 – 5X). Are thay any good ?. Should I stick with scopes labeled as "blackpowder scopes" ? Thanks !
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> Can anyone recommend a scope for a beginner muzzleloader. I have a Knight > LK-93 and would like to put a scope on it, but do not want to spend too > much. I have been looking at the Simmons Whitetail Classic scopes (1.5 – > 5X). Are thay any good ?. Should I stick with scopes labeled as > "blackpowder scopes" ? > Thanks !
I just don’t get it! Do you really put modern optics on your muzzleloaders in your state? It is against the law in Wa. State, unless you are hunting in a modern firearm season. If you are going to do that why not just buy a 30-06 and be done with it. Primative sights for primative wepons, that is how it should be. I have taken aprox 10 deer and 3 Elk with muzzloaders with open sights. Unless you were shooting at over 100 yards with at least a 54 cal. what is the point?
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To add my 2 cents worth on using a scope on a muzzle loader, I would argue against doing it. I use an aperture (peep) sight on my .50 ML, and the accuracy is fully equivalent to what you can get from a scope at muzzle loader ranges. Also scopes have to be mounted above the bore, and that forces the head to be raised above the normal sighting position, as ML rifles are usually stocked for iron sight use. This destroys the spot weld of the cheek on the stock, and is not good for accuracy (Keep the wood on the wood dummy!)…jim dodd San Diego Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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: over 100 yards with at least a 54 cal. what is the point? In Ohio, centerfire rifles are not legal for deer. That leaves a modern scoped in-line muzzleloader as the highest performing most accurate way to hunt deer. — Michael Courtney, Ph. D. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can anyone recommend a scope for a beginner muzzleloader. I have a Knight > LK-93 and would like to put a scope on it, but do not want to spend too > much. I have been looking at the Simmons Whitetail Classic scopes (1.5 – > 5X). Are thay any good ?. Should I stick with scopes labeled as > "blackpowder scopes" ? > Thanks ! > I just don’t get it! Do you really put modern optics on your > muzzleloaders in your state? It is against the law in Wa. State, unless > you are hunting in a modern firearm season. If you are going to do that > why not just buy a 30-06 and be done with it. Primative sights for > primative wepons, that is how it should be. I have taken aprox 10 deer > and 3 Elk with muzzloaders with open sights. Unless you were shooting at > over 100 yards with at least a 54 cal. what is the point?
In Alaska during the muzzleloader-only seasons no scopes are allowed either. I’m tempted to introduce the "public servants" that thought that up to the Americans with Disabilities Act! Primitive sights my butt…a sportsman’s first obligation is to killing cleanly and with a minimum of suffering. If that means a scope, so be it. -craig Happiness is Fifty Below! Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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> Can anyone recommend a scope for a beginner muzzleloader. I have a Knight > LK-93 and would like to put a scope on it, but do not want to spend too > much. I have been looking at the Simmons Whitetail Classic scopes (1.5 – > 5X). Are thay any good ?. Should I stick with scopes labeled as > "blackpowder scopes" ? > Thanks !
I have a LK-93 also with a peep sight. Unless you are planning to take 200 yard shots I would think about the peep sight. Very inexpensive compared to a scope and mounts. You would be amazed at the accuracy you can achieve with the peep. I took the scope off of my LK-93 and replaced it with a peep. But if you have to scope it out that Simmons scope would work fine.