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Snakes: Friend or foe?
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> If this is a poll, count me on the side with your friend – let ‘em live > unless killing them is *required* by the situation.
Reason #106 to hunt up north: No Snakes! ’Fraid up here in Canada’s middle and east, we’ve got no snakes of note. Sure, them little green ones that eat crickets and such, but unless you’re in southern Ontario, or out west, the snakes are a pitiful crop. Southern Ontario has the Mississauga Rattle Snake, and out west has the standard array of rattlers and such. But here in Quebec, sorry. Our winters make ’snakecicles’ out of them. However, should I ever encounter a snake that can do me injury, well… pow. DJ MacIntyre in Quebec Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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In Florida by the Florida Fish & Game, each living snake — venomous or non is valued one thousand dollars a year alone in rodent control. Even if it is a ’hot’ snake, leave it alone. Unless you mess with it, it it not likely to harm you. Several species such as the Eastern Indigo are on the same protected status as the Bald Eagle. Just leave them be and let them be the automatic rat traps they are. Hawkmom ‘You provide your child the best you can afford; you provide your hawk the best you can get’ Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Personnaly, when I come into contact with them, I sometimes shoot them, and sometimes I let them go. If I come upon one and he is at a good distance still, I let them go. However, if he is in close, I pull my 357 and add to the snake skin collection on my wall. It’s not that there easier to shoot at close range, it’s that I once came up on one, real close, about 3 feet. He started ratteling and coiled up, I froze, waited a minuet and then tried to back up out of there, as soon as I moved that SOB bit me. I have heard that sudden movements can sometimes cause them to strike, so like I said, if I’m close, there dead. In your situation, I would have shot him also. Bottom line is, they are very unpredictable, I say use your best judgement. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yesterday while checking my feeder, a friend of mine and I happened > upon a four foot TX rattle snake. I damned near stepped on him and he > started rattling and coiled up. > This is the first year on this new lease with this friend and we have > had ongoing arguments about the proper way of taking care of these > encounters. > ME: I hate those bastards and I shoot them upon locating them. I do > not go out of my way to find them but I do not hesitate to dispatch them > in the unfortunate event of our crossing. > HIM: He is not an animal rights activist, but he tries to live and let > live, meaning yesterday him openly commented that the snake should be > allowed to move on his way and kill rats, blah, blah, blah. > RESULT: One dead snake. > My question is this: Is it in my best long-term interest and the > interest of the ecosystem to let those buggers go? I have always been a > bit (pardon the pun) worried about the consequences of a snake bite and > the resulting trip to local hospital, etc. > I don’t kill for the sake of hearing my gun go off. But I don’t eat > snakes…. Any input in favor of shooing them into the woods or making > belts out of RATTLE SNAKES only (we do not kill the other native snakes > we find) would be appreciated. > Laird
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Yesterday while checking my feeder, a friend of mine and I happened upon a four foot TX rattle snake. I damned near stepped on him and he started rattling and coiled up. This is the first year on this new lease with this friend and we have had ongoing arguments about the proper way of taking care of these encounters. ME: I hate those bastards and I shoot them upon locating them. I do not go out of my way to find them but I do not hesitate to dispatch them in the unfortunate event of our crossing. HIM: He is not an animal rights activist, but he tries to live and let live, meaning yesterday him openly commented that the snake should be allowed to move on his way and kill rats, blah, blah, blah. RESULT: One dead snake. My question is this: Is it in my best long-term interest and the interest of the ecosystem to let those buggers go? I have always been a bit (pardon the pun) worried about the consequences of a snake bite and the resulting trip to local hospital, etc. I don’t kill for the sake of hearing my gun go off. But I don’t eat snakes…. Any input in favor of shooing them into the woods or making belts out of RATTLE SNAKES only (we do not kill the other native snakes we find) would be appreciated. Laird Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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> ME: I hate those bastards and I shoot them upon locating them. I do > not go out of my way to find them but I do not hesitate to dispatch them > in the unfortunate event of our crossing. > HIM: He is not an animal rights activist, but he tries to live and let > live, meaning yesterday him openly commented that the snake should be > allowed to move on his way and kill rats, blah, blah, blah. > RESULT: One dead snake. > My question is this: Is it in my best long-term interest and the > interest of the ecosystem to let those buggers go? I have always been a > bit (pardon the pun) worried about the consequences of a snake bite and > the resulting trip to local hospital, etc.
If this is a poll, count me on the side with your friend – let ‘em live unless killing them is *required* by the situation. Chris Barnes (409) 846-3273 (home) Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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I always lived by this rule. If I am coming out of the woods the same way I went in , the snake dies. He gets no second opportunity, esp. if it is dark. If I am just passing thru he gets left alone. Scott Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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> Yesterday while checking my feeder, a friend of mine and I happened > upon a four foot TX rattle snake. I damned near stepped on him and he > started rattling and coiled up.
Your feeder spits grain. Grain attracts rodents. Rodents attract snakes. Figure it out. > This is the first year on this new lease with this friend and we have > had ongoing arguments about the proper way of taking care of these > encounters.
Your friend sounds like a level-headed, mature kind of guy. > ME: I hate those bastards and I shoot them upon locating them.
You on the other hand …. > I do not go out of my way to find them but I do not hesitate to > dispatch them in the unfortunate event of our crossing.
What purpose does this serve? Snakes do not attack people. This is to say that they will not chase you down. If you have the warning and the time to kill a snake, then you have the warning and the time to evade the snake. However fast you can kill a snake, you can take three steps back a whole lot faster. Snake goes his way, you go yours. > HIM: He is not an animal rights activist, but he tries to live and let > live, meaning yesterday him openly commented that the snake should be > allowed to move on his way and kill rats, blah, blah, blah.
Him right. Pearls of wisdom dismissed as blah, blah, blah. I’ve killed and/or consumed way too many animals to ever be accused of thinking they have anything so stupid as ‘animal rights’, and I even have a pair of former Texas rattlers decorating my favorite hunting weapon. Until one trys to run me down, however, I won’t be able to kill one in the woods and tell myself it was ’self-defense.’ > RESULT: One dead snake.
Pity. > My question is this: Is it in my best long-term interest and the > interest of the ecosystem to let those buggers go?
Neither you, nor the world, is going to end prematurely either way. > I have always been a bit (pardon the pun) worried about the > consequences of a snake bite and the resulting trip to local hospital, etc.
The you need to keep from getting bitten. Watch where you put your hands and feet. Wear chaps. Quit hanging around piles of grain in the woods. > I don’t kill for the sake of hearing my gun go off.
No, you kill because you ‘hate those bastards.’ *Much* better :^) > But I don’t eat snakes….
Try it. They taste like chicken. :^) > Any input in favor of shooing them into the woods or making > belts out of RATTLE SNAKES only
I’m in favor of both. Its this killing them out of hatred that gets to me. > (we do not kill the other native snakes we find)
We? I thought him was against the whole idea. That leaves you. > would be appreciated.
I hope this extends to strong commentary from opinionated bastards such as myself. If not … nevermind. Jim Johnson Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING