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# # Anyway, I can’t believe that the units won’t work below 40F. I contacted Eagle Customer service # and they indicate the operating range for ALL their products is -4F to +150F. Given these are the # recommended ranges, I would expect typcial operation well above and below these stated values (by # 20 degrees or more). In the book I received with my explorer it said the same thing for operating range. But, the -4 F. is in regards to their screen. Apparently using it that cold will harm it? Anyway, I have talked to one other person who had the same trouble with his. And, the customer service person I talked with didn’t sound surprised when she added that I should use it in warmer temps. # # Personally, I’ve used my Expedition II in Canada at -25F and it worked fine. # # So, maybe your unit was defective??? Maybe it was defective. I have no way of knowing for sure but, Garmin, here I come. Randy Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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# # Anyway, I can’t believe that the units won’t work below 40F. I contacted Eagle Customer service # and they indicate the operating range for ALL their products is -4F to +150F. Given these are the # recommended ranges, I would expect typcial operation well above and below these stated values (by # 20 degrees or more). In the book I received with my explorer it said the same thing for operating range. But, the -4 F. is in regards to their screen. Apparently using it that cold will harm it? Anyway, I have talked to one other person who had the same trouble with his. And, the customer service person I talked with didn’t sound surprised when she added that I should use it in warmer temps. # # Personally, I’ve used my Expedition II in Canada at -25F and it worked fine. # # So, maybe your unit was defective??? Maybe it was defective. I have no way of knowing for sure but, Garmin, here I come. Randy Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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I came in late on the GPS discussion, but what are the facts on whether a GPS will work in the late summer/early fall woods. Lots of tree cover. A friend of mine bought a GPS last year and he could not get this to work during early Bow. Thoughts? Thanks, Bill Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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The cold weather problem lies more with the liquid crystal display than the electronics. LCDs, due to their nature, don’t work too well if they get too cold. Kind of lack molasses in January. Cold shouldn’t do permanent damage, however. What I do in winter is keep the unit in an inside pocket until I need it. A 12 parallel channel unit locks up quick enough (with no leaves on the trees) that taking only periodic fixes (versus leaving in on constantly) is not a time consuming operation. Note that I have no problems leaving the unit exposed at temps above 15 degrees, it’s when it is below that that I put it in my pocket. Mike "La Longue Carabine" 42 49.07′N | so implicitly to party as to support a man 86 01.49′ W | whose private acts prove him to be unfit | for a public trust. The basis of the rep- | resentative system is character, and without | character, no man should be confided in." -James Fenimore Cooper
# ## ## Anyway, I can’t believe that the units won’t work below 40F. I contacted Eagle Customer service ## and they indicate the operating range for ALL their products is -4F to +150F. Given these are the ## recommended ranges, I would expect typcial operation well above and below these stated values (by ## 20 degrees or more). # #In the book I received with my explorer it said the same thing for #operating range. But, the -4 F. is in regards to their screen. #Apparently using it that cold will harm it? Anyway, I have talked to #one other person who had the same trouble with his. And, the customer #service person I talked with didn’t sound surprised when she added that #I should use it in warmer temps. # # # ## ## Personally, I’ve used my Expedition II in Canada at -25F and it worked fine. ## ## So, maybe your unit was defective??? # #Maybe it was defective. I have no way of knowing for sure but, Garmin, #here I come. # #Randy # #Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: # http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ # #To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING # Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Further to this thread re: effectiveness of GPS units in fall hunting, there are two main points. I. the unit must be a full 12 parallel channel unit, e.g. Eagle Explorer, Garmin 12 or 12XL, to work with any degree of consistency under tree cover. 2. In cold weather, keep the unit warm under your clothing when not taking a reading. To benefit from my 4 years experience mostly fall hunting check this URL http://www.synapse.net/~dbartlett/gpsutm.htm for "A Practical Guide tp GPS – UTM" Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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I have an Eagle Expedition II. Similar to the Explorer, but a few great features like sunrise/sunset, more waypoints & routes, alarms (switchable), trip meter, etc., …., but not as fancy as the new Map Guide Pro’s (should have waited). Anyway, I can’t believe that the units won’t work below 40F. I contacted Eagle Customer service and they indicate the operating range for ALL their products is -4F to +150F. Given these are the recommended ranges, I would expect typcial operation well above and below these stated values (by 20 degrees or more). Personally, I’ve used my Expedition II in Canada at -25F and it worked fine. So, maybe your unit was defective??? I bought my unit at http://www.wwwdi.com/eagle Robert. p.s. hundreds of uses for my GPS from trolling speeds, vehicle speed, altimeter readings to assist in a drainage project, the list is endless. I don’t know how I got along without it! — Robert Schultz, Senior Research Analyst, University Studies Group Rm 225 Thorvaldson, 110 Science Pl, U of S, Saskatoon Canada S7N 5C9 Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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#The cold weather problem lies more with the liquid crystal display than the #electronics. LCDs, due to their nature, don’t work too well if they get too #cold. Kind of lack molasses in January. Cold shouldn’t do permanent damage, #however. I once left a calculator in a briefcase in a car in Duluth, and came back to find the display cracked, with liquid leaking around all over under the outermost plate. I never did figure out for sure whether I had managed to hit it on something, or it just froze — but I always suspected the latter … RR Neuswanger, PhD, NRA-E Fight spam, the cholesterol rrne (at) loc.gov of the Internet:see http://spam.abuse.net I speak for me. Only. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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I use a Magellan 4000XL and have never had a problem. With 12 channels it is rare when I don’t get a fix, usually out in the deep canyon country. I’ve not had a problem with brush or trees blocking a fix, and occaissionally get a lock while inside a building (no kidding…depends on building though). Maybe you need to upgrade to a newer model…they seem to improve daily. DJRaymond <snip> ## Anyway, recently I brought a Garmin 38 which I have now found to be ## unsatisfactory for obtaining a positional fix in a ‘clear window’ ## opening in the bush. Generally the opening (where say a large tree has ## fallen over) in the bush would be in the order of say 20-30m radius ## with the surrounding trees to a height of say 10-15m. <snip> ## What would be a more suitable model or what other brands should I have ## considered. ## ## Thanks for any advise ## ## Cheers Tom McMurtrie ## Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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# # Get an Eagle Explorer. Mine works great in the thick woods here in # Missouri.I use mine all the time scouting and for squirrel and turkey # hunting. Never had a problem getting a fix. Hell, # it will even get a fix inside my house in the living room. I have had # great luck with mine and am very satisfied with the performance. # Ken # I missed the original post and don’t know if the author said where he is from or not. But, I got an Eagle Explorer for Christmas and used it on a trip to Colorado coyote hunting and again when I got home. It had one major flaw. It wouldn’t work if the temp was colder than 40 degrees F. Now for winter time hunting in Colorado or any hunting in Minnesota, that just isn’t good enough. The nice lady at Eagle told me to use it when it was warmer out. My advice is to stay away from this unit. I also had to fight to get my money back. Eagle wanted to "fix" it. Randy Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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# # Firstly, sorry if this subject has already been flogged to death in this # and other newsgroups previously. # # Anyway, recently I brought a Garmin 38 which I have now found to be # unsatisfactory for obtaining a positional fix in a ‘clear window’ # opening in the bush. Generally the opening (where say a large tree has # fallen over) in the bush would be in the order of say 20-30m radius # with the surrounding trees to a height of say 10-15m. # # Are my expectations for this particular model of GPS too high or have I # jumped in and brought a ‘lemon’! # # What would be a more suitable model or what other brands should I have # considered. # # Thanks for any advise # # Cheers Tom McMurtrie # # Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: # http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ # # To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING # Tom– I have had a Garmin 45XL for a couple of years, and at the time I bought it it was considered one of the "high end" sportsman’s units (as opposed to a scientific or research model like some of the Trimbles, etc.) I thoroughly love it, but recognize the limitations of the beast(s), and the new technology that is passing it by. Being unfamiliar with the 38,one first asks if it is a 12 channel unit or 8 (I believe it is an 8, correct?), meaning how many satellites is it capable of locking onto. Obviously the 12 channel gives you a better chance to hit at least the minimum number to get a 3d fix, particularly in tight places lik you described.. Location of the birds in the sky is everything. Does the 38 give a display showing the satellite position relative to the horizon? There ARE times when the $3000 Trimbles have to set it out because the "PDOP" (scientific garble having to do with the strength of the signal to your receiver) is bad. Two weeks ago I was doing plotting of a utility corridor on a Trimble, which allows monitoring of the PDOP, and just happened to have my Garmin 45xl along. There were times when we had to cease and desist because the PDOP (still not sure of that term) indicated our data wouldn’t have been reliable. My unit displayed the position of the birds, and when the Trimble told us the PDOP was not good I checked my display, and saw the birds were low in the horizon, bunched tightly, etc., accounting for the bad data. And we were on a wide open hilltop in Arizona, 2 miles from the nearest tree! Bottom line, there are more powerful units out there than the 38, and more technologically advanced units now than when the 38 came out like any other technology–depends on how hard you want to chase after it. but there are also other reasons why you may not always get the fix. Email me if you have other questions–it’s a hobby of mine Lenny Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Hi team (from Dunedin, New Zealnd) Firstly, sorry if this subject has already been flogged to death in this and other newsgroups previously. Anyway, recently I brought a Garmin 38 which I have now found to be unsatisfactory for obtaining a positional fix in a ‘clear window’ opening in the bush. Generally the opening (where say a large tree has fallen over) in the bush would be in the order of say 20-30m radius with the surrounding trees to a height of say 10-15m. Are my expectations for this particular model of GPS too high or have I jumped in and brought a ‘lemon’! What would be a more suitable model or what other brands should I have considered. Thanks for any advise Cheers Tom McMurtrie Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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# Are my expectations for this particular model of GPS too high or have I # jumped in and brought a ‘lemon’! Your expecting too much. # # What would be a more suitable model or what other brands should I have # considered. I have a Garmin GPS12+. Great unit. The new positioning system grants 3d navagation under heavy cover, without an external antenna.( I can aquire 3d nav in my house.) My buddy has a Garmin 40 (I think it is a 40) and on our last trip while he was loosing signal, my unit still had an EPE around 80 feet. Price was around $240.00. at Bronco One in Phoenix, Arizona. I did quite a bit of research on units so Email for more details, or opinions as the case may be. Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting & Outdoors – Productions "Keep the rubber side down" Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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# # Get an Eagle Explorer. Mine works great in the thick woods here in # Missouri.I use mine all the time scouting and for squirrel and turkey # hunting. Never had a problem getting a fix. Hell, # it will even get a fix inside my house in the living room. I have had # great luck with mine and am very satisfied with the performance. # Ken # I missed the original post and don’t know if the author said where he is from or not. But, I got an Eagle Explorer for Christmas and used it on a trip to Colorado coyote hunting and again when I got home. It had one major flaw. It wouldn’t work if the temp was colder than 40 degrees F. Now for winter time hunting in Colorado or any hunting in Minnesota, that just isn’t good enough. The nice lady at Eagle told me to use it when it was warmer out. My advice is to stay away from this unit. I also had to fight to get my money back. Eagle wanted to "fix" it. Randy Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING
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Get an Eagle Explorer. Mine works great in the thick woods here in Missouri.I use mine all the time scouting and for squirrel and turkey hunting. Never had a problem getting a fix. Hell, it will even get a fix inside my house in the living room. I have had great luck with mine and am very satisfied with the performance. Ken Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING